I was eager to hear what the founders of 180solutions had to say at this morning’s Northwest Entrepreneur Network Venture Breakfast. I haven’t closely followed the controversy surrounding the company, with respect to their software being associated with botnets, worms and other elements of the "dark side" of the net. Some have raised issues about the integrity of the company, while others have given them high ratings as a business and a great place to work.
Keith Smith, one of the co-founders of 180solutions, presented a picture that differed significantly from some of the negative press accounts, focusing on five aspects of the company. He started off with the history of the company, a real rollercoaster of highs and lows (including two complete layoffs and one nearly complete layoff), noting that they succeeded in raising $40M soon after achieving profitability … when they least needed the money (which he said, in hindsight, was exactly the right time to seek funding).
Keith said the goal of 180solutions was to create a new content economy, becoming the "NBC of the Internet", by offering free content in return for users agreeing to view occasional advertisements served up by a client-side application, Zango, that must be downloaded and installed on the user’s computer. He contrasted this with Google AdSense, which serves up advertisements in a browser, but claimed that this only supports commercially-relevant content. 180solutions wanted to create a new model for sponsoring non-commercially relevant content (e.g., interactive games) … without interrupting the consumption of that content. So they came up with what he described as a time-shifting model, wherein content creators (e.g., game developers) make their content available through a publisher who contracts with advertisers to show their promotional content to consumers while they are engaged in commercially relevant activities, e.g., using Internet search sites to find travel information.
Interestingly, Keith said that their average consumer is served up at most one advertisement per day, and even heavy users typically see no more than two or three advertisements per day. Furthermore, in the Q&A session, Dan Todd, 180solutions’ other co-founder, claimed that their software does not maintain profiles of their consumers (email addresses, IP addresses or URLs visited), but simply looks for individual URLs containing search queries, and serves up an advertisement based solely on that individual query (advertisers buy keywords, just as in AdSense).
Problems arose (or worsened — contextual advertising has always had its opponents) when botnets and worms started installing Zango on computers without proper (or any) notice and consent. Unsuspecting users would be searching on the web and be unpleasantly surprised when Zango would pop-up an advertisement, or their spyware removal tools would discover the 180solutions application and delete it … only to have it mysteriously re-installed again. One aspect of the controversy surrounding 180solutions is whether it was complicit in this use of its software. Some have claimed they turned a blind eye to this type of activity.
Keith made some compelling arguments for how and why this abuse was harmful to 180solutions. Given that their software is now labeled spyware by many spyware removal tools, they estimate that approximately 65M of their legitimate users have unintentionally uninstalled their software (the irony of which was not lost on me), resulting in a loss of $7.5M in customer [re]acquisition costs, and an additional $40M in estimated lost revenue so far this year. Keith also said that the company was slow to recognize and react to these problems … and it’s not clear whether their perspective changed.
He outlined a 5-prong approach they have taken to address the problems created by what he referred to as "inappropriate installs" of their software, focusing on technology, enforcement, education, standards and public relations. One of the most ambitious undertakings was to completely dismantle their distribution network, cutting out the aggregator intermediaries, and rebuilding an entirely new network in which they created direct relationships with the content publishers … enabling them to impose sanctions for any future abuses.
Toward the end, Keith shared some key factors in the success of 180solutions: their corporate "culture of metrics on a foundation of ethics", emphasizing innovation, a focus on the consumer and empowering employees, reflecting some of the wisdom that others (such as Scott Svenson, Glenn Kelman and Sunny Kobe Cook) shared at NWEN’s Entrepreneur University last week.
During the Q&A period, it was clear that some members of the audience were still suspicious of 180solutions actions (and motives). I admit that I found Keith’s arguments compelling: it’s hard to imagine that many victims of "inappropriate installs" would respond to unwanted advertisements by actually clicking through and making purchases — especially in sufficient numbers to compensate for the costs Keith enumerated. However, there are other controversies swirling around 180solutions (e.g., stealware), that were not addressed at today’s meeting, and so I, too, have lingering doubts about some of their reported practices (I wish I’d done more research ahead of time). I welcome further enlightenment from anyone willing to share their insights and understanding about the controversies.
[Aside: I want to thank Gayle’ Morrison for the rather clever phrasing she offered about 180solutions navigating a 180 degree turn. Also, the 5-Minute Forum presentation by CineVend was so fabulous — and this post has gotten so long — that I’m going to post a separate entry on that.]
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4 responses to “180solutions: Working on a 180 Degree Public Relations Turn”
Thanks for the link, and thanks for the detailed description of 180’s current PR efforts.
I have to disagree with your statement that “it’s hard to imagine that many victims of ‘inappropriate installs’ would respond to unwanted advertisements by actually clicking through and making purchases.” Take a look at the example screenshots I’ve posted, e.g. http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/180-affiliates/delta-hawaiian.png . That reflects a user requesting Delta but getting an ad for Hawaiian Airlines — covering 90%+ of the user’s screen. Sometimes the 180 ad covers even more — see e.g. http://www.benedelman.org/presentations/adtech-2005 , slide 8. With the user’s requsted browser window so thoroughly covered by 180’s popup, I would expect the popup to have a high response rate, whether or not users want it.
Effectiveness of 180’s popups is consistent with advertisers’ experience on ordinary (non-spyware) popups from web pages: Popups are sufficiently intrusive and “in-your-face” that they really do deliver results for advertisers, even though they greatly annoy users.
180’s “stealware” effects are ongoing. See e.g. example 3 on http://www.benedelman.org/news/091405-1.html , which I posted relatively recently. I continue to find numerous examples of such practices.
Ben Edelman
Ben,
Thanks for the additional information. Your web site has an enormous amount of well-documented examples and in-depth analysis on dimensions of the business not covered during yesterday’s presentation. Keith focused on their efforts to protect their consumers (users who explicitly sign up for their service), but I do not remember him saying anything about their relationship with affiliates and affiliate networks (unless these were the “aggregators” he referred to, a subset of which he blamed for many of the abuses).
As for the specific comment of mine with which you take issue, it is a projection of my own perspective onto a broader population (a habit of mine that results in varying degees of accuracy). If I had not signed up with 180solutions, and a popup from them was presented, I would be unpleasantly surprised, and would take steps to remove the software from my computer. I would not click on the popup. If the majority of Internet users don’t notice unsolicited popups (and your examples show how some of them might escape notice), or have no reservations about clicking on them, then perhaps the numbers are more significant than I imagine[d]. I specifically asked Keith after the presentation for an estimate of the amount of inadvertant revenue they were receiving as a result of inapropriate installs, and he said he believed it was far less than the costs he outlined, but he couldn’t provide a ballpark figure.
I would be interested in what Keith has to say about some of the examples you have provided, and the kinds of impacts those have on [legitimate] affiliates and affiliate networks.
Joe, I have the dishonor of being in the spyware space for a couple years, and understand 180Solutions to be one of the more prominent innovators in covert distribution practices. See the article “Anatomy of a Drive-By Installation“, where it shows how 180Solutions bought a company that is highlighted here. (I don’t remember if 180Solutions talked about the current class action lawsuit they face. ) It would have been very interesting to ask Keith about some of the “content partners” they work with, in terms of % of revenues. Companies like these don’t have software that is deemed of value to the user, they only have an ad-serving exe that gets installed with someone else’s software — but the funny thing is that these companies never boast about their partners. It’s because this is where the seedy underbelly of the Internet lies, and no one ever talks about their distribution. 180Solutions and every other spyware company right now is desperately trying to create new and appropriate distribution channels because the “inappropriate” distribution opportunies are going away, for good reason.
Great post! Thanks for the tips you’ve shared. I must try this. I’m so sick of spywares! Spyware is very smart, but all spyware has weaknesses and I have laid the path of least resistance.